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It looks that way. Looks like I need serious counseling over my grief over the New Orleans disaster.

 

To clarify: I am stupid to think that our government would deliberately drag their damn feet in the New Orleans rescue efforts to rescue black people from the city. I mistakenly thought that the government and state agencies deliberately waited to rescue these poor black folk from the disaster area because holding up the rescue efforts would allow more poor blacks to perish, thus saving the government welfare money in the long run and because the government and state rescue agencies were downright scared to even try to help out these precious black people, whom I love and cherish.

 

To sum up: I was utterly stupid to think that the gov would lag on rescue efforts to allow black welfare recipients to perish to save money. Perhaps the government does care about the black folk in New Orleans and other disaster areas affected by Katrina.

 

However, I do NOT think I am stupid to love black people. It's NOT stupid to love the black people. I'm damn PROUD that I love black people! Black people are some of the BEST FRIENDS I have ever had!!! You can take THAT to the bank, it's priceless.

 

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Eastern US Weather Forums _ Katrina Aftermath _ Utterly repugnant possibility.

Posted by: Jebman Today, 02:06 AM

 

If it is true.

 

 

Found this on another board.

 

 

This all sickens me. There must be an agenda to allow these people, who may be generally supported by government checks, so maybe they are considered expendable, to just die. Why isn't water being airlifted to these hundreds of stranded people on bridges or at the domes? They show airlifts of bags of stone to try and plug the levies, and so why can't they just keep filling a few of those with drinking water to airlift where they are needed. This is pathetic that the priority at this time is to fix a levie system that you know won't be repaired and the city drained for weeks if not months, yet a human can't live without water for more than a few days! I swear that the president, the american oil barons, and the state governments are generally allowing the "dregs of society" to just die off. They are afraid of the cost of having to shelter them and feed them in the long term. They probably figure they will ultimately save on welfare checks if they are allowed to die. It is sickening to think that we aren't mobilizing huge numbers of forces to help evacuate people. Where are the flat barges that go up and down the Mississippi river everyday? Why aren't people being moved up to St. Louis on these? -or wherever? Why are the ships still in Tampa Bay with all the navy sitting around? Couldn't they go to start a rescue mission rather than wait for carriers to come from Virginia?

Wait til the infections set in. Remember Floyd? That land is still unusable that flooded. Young people lost arms and legs to infection to the point that visiting east Carolina reminds you of post-civil war pictures with so many canes and missing limbs. Wait til they have to start searching attics when the floods finally recede. Mark my words, we will see numbers like 50,000 killed when all is said and done, due to neglect, dysentary(spelling?), TB, infection, etc.

Last laugh will be on the looters that are stealing more than necessities. They won't want to leave their stash, but they will develop infections and die. The longer they wait and wade through the polluted water before seeking help, they more likely they will die. Nature will avenge their behavior.

 

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I have never ever in my entire life been to New Orleans.

I have seen with mine own eyes, on the TV, that many folks are black in New Orleans.

I have lived in Northern Virginia all my life and I have lived with black folks all my life and I lvoe them dearly.

If these precious New Orleans human beings have been allowed to perish because the relief agencies are dragging their feet, then that is a crime against humanity. This is utterly abhorrent. I lvoe the Black people so much, and my heart broke into a million pieces when I saw them all begging for water and forced to stand out in that hot sun in 95 degree weather with 75 degree dewpoints. Human beings are human beings and they are very precious, each and every one of them and it should not matter what socioeconomic class they happen to be in or what the color of their skin is. All human beings are priceless. I attend Christ Chapel in Woodbridge Virginia and I am friends with about 200 precious black folks there. I have come to love them very, very much. I have been in that church since 1987, when they came out and outreached to me during one of my jebwalks. I'm easy to find there; just come in and ask for Jeb or jebbie, I am very easy to locate. I'm the one walking around with headphones on around Potomac Mills Mall.

 

So I am filled to overflowing with love and more for my precious friends at Christ Chapel and then I read that it may be possible that these good folks may be perishing because the relief agencies are dragging their feet, because they are afraid of the costs of helping these precious folks out because of a hurricane induced disaster.

If this is true, it makes our relief agencies and even our government repugnant in the eyes of Americans and the rest of humanity for that matter. If it is true than these relief agencies and possibly the applicable state governments and possibly our federal government are horrifically guilty of crimes against humanity.

 

I am not stating that the relief agencies, state governments and possibly our federal government is definitely guilty of this beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt, but that there is some possibility, however remote, that it is indeed true.

 

If it is, I am not sure what I will do.

 

Probably move to southeastern Canada for the remainder of my natural life. After all, I lvoe snow and extreme, Ice Age cold.

Posted by: USAF Forecaster Today, 02:15 AM

 

It's not true. The very idea is repugnant. I'm suprised and disapointed that you, a very respected poster here, would give even the benefit of the doubt to such nonsense.

 

You must understand that people in the government and military are working 23 hour days, killing themselves, trying to get there to help.

 

While you and many others are frustrated, understandably, you have to understand that it simply takes time to move huge numbers of people and supplies.

 

 

Posted by: pazzo83 Today, 02:19 AM

 

QUOTE(USAF Forecaster @ Sep 2 2005, 03:15 AM)

It's not true. The very idea is repugnant. I'm suprised and disapointed that you, a very respected poster here, would give even the benefit of the doubt to such nonsense.

 

You must understand that people in the government and military are working 23 hour days, killing themselves, trying to get there to help.

 

While you and many others are frustrated, understandably, you have to understand that it simply takes time to move huge numbers of people and supplies.

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What about all the thousands of people outside of NOLA who need food and water, yet are not getting it (or are getting very little of it)?

 

Posted by: USAF Forecaster Today, 02:27 AM

 

QUOTE(pazzo83 @ Sep 2 2005, 03:19 AM)

What about all the thousands of people outside of NOLA who need food and water, yet are not getting it (or are getting very little of it)?

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See my reply in the other thread.

 

Look at a map. Rte 90 was the primary access road for the entire region. North-south routes to I-10 from 90 are few and far between.

 

They were only able to get the first bulldozers out to the coast today to clear roads.

 

You can gather 100,000 people together to help a region, but if you can't get there?

 

Again, there is no magic government wand to wave and clear the way. It's only been three days. Yes, that's a lifetime to those that are waiting for help, but in a historical sense, getting people in there in 4 days is lightning quick.

 

Posted by: pazzo83 Today, 02:39 AM

 

QUOTE(USAF Forecaster @ Sep 2 2005, 03:27 AM)

See my reply in the other thread.

 

Look at a map. Rte 90 was the primary access road for the entire region. North-south routes to I-10 from 90 are few and far between.

 

They were only able to get the first bulldozers out to the coast today to clear roads.

 

You can gather 100,000 people together to help a region, but if you can't get there?

 

Again, there is no magic government wand to wave and clear the way. It's only been three days. Yes, that's a lifetime to those that are waiting for help, but in a historical sense, getting people in there in 4 days is lightning quick.

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Ok, I immensely respect what you are doing in NOLA (I'm assuming you are there), and I fully realize the nature of your presence there. I also realize that you, nor the rest of the nat'l guard, has anything to do with the assistance in MS and SE Louisiana. I am replying to you because you are speaking for the fed gov't in general.

That is BS. Interstate 65 goes RIGHT to Biloxi. RIGHT to the center of town. People are f*cking starving to death and dying from dehydration over there. Does the road have to be absolutely 100% clear in order to get some food and water to these people??!? If there are trees etc in the road, MOVE them. It's been nearly 4 f-cking days for these people, and almost no help. And the few trucks they have gotten have had hardly anything in them.

I realize that the state gov't is largely to blame, but instead of worrying about that, let's worry about getting these people food, whoever the level of gov't responsible. No one is shooting at helicoptors or hosiptals over there, no Nat'l guard is needed, all they need is FOOD and WATER. That is it. And the gov't, both fed and state, can't even do that?!?! I'm sorry, but this is a sad day to be in America. FOUR DAYS, and these people are still without aid. What a disgrace...

 

Posted by: pazzo83 Today, 02:42 AM

 

And no, this is 2005 in the US of A. Four days is an eternity to get to people in need. NO OTHER natural disaster during the past 15 years has EVER had such a terribly slow response, NONE.

Posted by: USAF Forecaster Today, 02:55 AM

 

QUOTE(pazzo83 @ Sep 2 2005, 03:39 AM)

Ok, I immensely respect what you are doing in NOLA (I'm assuming you are there), and I fully realize the nature of your presence there. I also realize that you, nor the rest of the nat'l guard, has anything to do with the assistance in MS and SE Louisiana. I am replying to you because you are speaking for the fed gov't in general.

That is BS. Interstate 65 goes RIGHT to Biloxi. RIGHT to the center of town. People are f*cking starving to death and dying from dehydration over there. Does the road have to be absolutely 100% clear in order to get some food and water to these people??!? If there are trees etc in the road, MOVE them. It's been nearly 4 f-cking days for these people, and almost no help. And the few trucks they have gotten have had hardly anything in them.

I realize that the state gov't is largely to blame, but instead of worrying about that, let's worry about getting these people food, whoever the level of gov't responsible. No one is shooting at helicoptors or hosiptals over there, no Nat'l guard is needed, all they need is FOOD and WATER. That is it. And the gov't, both fed and state, can't even do that?!?! I'm sorry, but this is a sad day to be in America. FOUR DAYS, and these people are still without aid. What a disgrace...

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Interstate 65? What in the world are you talking about? The ONLY access to Biloxi was through I-110 or 90. I lived there for a year. Show it to me on a map.

 

Posted by: Bucky_Wx Today, 03:12 AM

 

QUOTE(pazzo83 @ Sep 2 2005, 02:42 AM)

And no, this is 2005 in the US of A. Four days is an eternity to get to people in need. NO OTHER natural disaster during the past 15 years has EVER had such a terribly slow response, NONE.

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You're misquided to think this situation can be compared to anything of the last 15 years, let alone U.S. history.

 

I do not sympathize with those trying to place blame.

 

Posted by: Harry Today, 03:13 AM

 

QUOTE(USAF Forecaster @ Sep 2 2005, 03:55 AM)

Interstate 65? What in the world are you talking about? The ONLY access to Biloxi was through I-110 or 90. I lived there for a year. Show it to me on a map.

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To make it clear. i65 goes to Mobile, AL where it meets up with i10. Starts in Chicago and goes down thru IN, KY, TN, AL.

 

Posted by: USAF Forecaster Today, 03:17 AM

 

QUOTE(Harry @ Sep 2 2005, 04:13 AM)

To make it clear. i65 goes to Mobile, AL where it meets up with i10. Starts in Chicago and goes down thru IN, KY, TN, AL.

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Well, just to make it clear, whatever people decide to call I-10, there is no longer a connection to Biloxi.

 

The bridge is trashed.

 

Posted by: Harry Today, 03:21 AM

 

QUOTE(USAF Forecaster @ Sep 2 2005, 04:17 AM)

Well, just to make it clear, whatever people decide to call I-10, there is no longer a connection to Biloxi.

 

The bridge is trashed.

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Yep alot of washed out bridges from Pascagoula west. Getting around there is diffacult at best.

 

Posted by: Bucky_Wx Today, 03:25 AM

 

Just to end this thread,

 

Television has been obesessed with NOLA since prior to landfall. What about the devestation in Slidell, Plaquamins, Gulfport, Kiln, etc, etc, etc, etc,etc,etc,etc.

 

90,000 square miles.

 

In the logic of everyone that is passing the blame, ' the rescue efforts should have just ignored the people they passed while in the direction of NOLA'

This logic is ludacris and flawed.

 

I think you would not have the nuts to blame the gov. if in the presence of a coast guard rescuer, who has risked his life for 4 days while dangling out of a helo.

Posted by: Harry Today, 03:29 AM

 

And also anyone that even suggest using the backroads etc remember that in most cases those smaller back roads are NOT built for large vehicals etc such as milatary convoys, 18 wheelers etc. And plus they probably have more damage then the main interstate highways i would suspect. best they can probably do right now is fly in. Which sucks because it will take more time but there is not many other land options to speak of. Whoever built them bridges on the main highways such as i10 should be shot for not building them higher knowing the potential for hurricanes etc like this. Looks as if many were destroyed by the surge and looked low which is why i say that.

Posted by: Hoosierwxdude Today, 03:29 AM

 

QUOTE(Harry @ Sep 2 2005, 03:13 AM)

To make it clear. i65 goes to Mobile, AL where it meets up with i10. Starts in Chicago and goes down thru IN, KY, TN, AL.

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Actually, I-65 starts in Gary, Indiana and then goes south from there.

 

Posted by: Wacahootaman Today, 06:48 AM

 

This is a very good point:

 

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Why isn't water being airlifted to these hundreds of stranded people on bridges or at the domes? They show airlifts of bags of stone to try and plug the levies, and so why can't they just keep filling a few of those with drinking water to airlift where they are needed. This is pathetic that the priority at this time is to fix a levee system that you know won't be repaired and the city drained for weeks if not months, yet a human can't live without water for more than a few days!

 

 

More people will die because they had no drinking water in easily accessable points like the elevated highway and convention center than have died in Mississippi from the storm surge!

 

But he forgets one crucial factor. The mayor, the police chief, and almost all the city government of New Orleans are black.

 

Plus he insults the whites who are risking their lives in helicopter rescues and the white local officials and guard officers and the white Democratic governor of Louisiana. They would have to be in on this genocidal conspiracy for this to work

 

But it is the corporate greedheads and the racist whites that are murdering those people he tells us.

 

I understand his outrage over people needlessly dying of thirst in front of the cameras when they could have easily been supplied with drinking water. I am outraged too.

 

But his point is poison race bating and class warfare incitement. He needs to get a grip on his grief and outrage and stop lashing out with this garbage.

 

Posted by: JamieO Today, 07:28 AM

 

Over the next days, weeks, months, expect countless rumors to fly, many coming from email. There will be race baiting by idiots of all colors. And I can imagine many of them will be breathlessly posted here with titles such as "The Story the Stupid Evil Media Won't Tell You".

Posted by: stormtracker Today, 07:45 AM

 

The race insinuations are all pretty disgusting to me. As I said in another thread, ITS NOT ABOUT RACE, ITS ABOUT GOVERNMENT INCOMPETENCE.

 

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Yep, I, Jeb/Jebman definitely need counseling and I have a few issues.

I'm the very first to admit I was WRONG to post that thread.

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